of this story now about steroid use? is there really that much of an urge to win and to cheat? >> it is hard to answer that because i have never had the urge to cheat and win. i barely took my tylenol when i had a pain, and it is amazing to see athletes that do that. it is really a loser's mentality. i have to say that, because, for example, for lance, for him to be so cocky and deceiving of everybody, for so many years, and to only really admit because you got caught, i think it is really sad. i forgive him, though, just because that's what you should do. but it is really sad. a lot of us, we work hard, we lift weights, we take our vitamins, eat right, sacrifice passing on junk food when you really want some, you don't eat the doughnut. >> you've been to the white house a couple of times. you're part of the let's move campaign. have you ever played hoops with the president? >> i've been invited two occasions and missed it. sorry. sorry, mr. president. i hope to get a chance to block his shot soon. >> trash talking! >> and at least then we'll have a chance to talk about school choice. i look